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Thursday, April 19, 2007

Riding the 'Goat

Hey, did you know that WOMEN , evil egalitarian women who refuse to embrace their God-ordained, home-centered mission to marry, have caused the Oregon House of Representatives approved a pair of bills Tuesday that grant marriage-style benefits to same-sex couples and bar discrimination because of sexual orientation?

That's right, we've gone and done it-- it's all our fault -- and we rebellious women are responsible for a whole host of societal ills, not just a couple of pieces of gay-rights legislation.
According to Carmon Friedrich, author of Fall-Out from the Fall, we egalitarian women are responsible for the ongoing fall of western society, and all the ensuing ills thereof, including government supported libraries, and various programs designed to "take other people’s (read, Libertarian people's) money" to give to “the poor":

Carmon writes:
"....I still have some lingering frustrations over yesterday’s issue, compounded by evil legislation passed by the House of Representatives in my former home state of Oregon today. Two “landmark” bills passed the House and are expected to be easily approved by the Senate and signed by the liberal governor. One grants “marriage-style benefits” to sodomites, and the other forces even Christian-owned businesses to hire homosexual employees. Only churches are exempt from the latter legislation, though church-owned businesses (such as schools and bookstores) may be required to comply, regardless of their convictions regarding such immoral lifestyles. You can bet there will be numerous lawsuits, as sodomite activists target these businesses for infiltration, and judges will be the arbiters of what Christian activity comes under government purview.
There are many reasons our society has come to this sad position, not the least of which is Christians don’t speak up when evil is rampant. The theology du jour says that God only cares about “spiritual” things, and this false spiritual/secular dichotomy keeps the church from addressing cultural and political issues, until it’s too late. Jesus lives in our hearts, but He is powerless to speak to anything more than a limited number of topics, confined to pulpits and Bible studies, unless it involves encouraging the government to take other people’s money to give to “the poor,” because we all know that socialism is really WWJD if you read between the lines of the Golden Rule.

But there’s another aspect to Christians jumping the cultural ship. I’ve been reading Ephesians to the children during our morning Bible time, and in chapter 5, Paul admonishes Christians to walk as children of light:
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light."
After that, he gives some very practical instruction for how to begin living out our Christian walk within the home. The very first instructions are given to wives, urging them to “submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.” This is how wives are to walk in the light, to repudiate the darkness, yet in the church, women are repudiating this clear teaching in order to embrace egalitarianism.
I believe that the rejection of the God-ordained, home-centered mission of wives and mothers is one of the biggest reasons we see our society crumbling around our feet....."

Tell it to Paul, Carmon, and to Jesus. They were the ones who said things like,

1Cr 7:7 "For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.....Cr 7:24Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God."

1Cr 7:32 "But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please [his] wife. 1Cr 7:34 There is difference [also] between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please [her] husband."

Luk 20:34
And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

As for societal ills, Jesus and Paul tell us all about that too:

Luk 16:10 "He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much........No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."
And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided Him.

1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

The idea that homemaking is the God-ordained mission of all women is clearly contrary to Scripture, and the idea that women who choose to depart from that role are responsible for the crumbling of society is ridiculous. Society has been crumbling ever since mankind first listened to the snake. Uber-complementarians will have to find another scapegoat to blame for homosexuality and all of the ills of society (including "evils" such as public libraries, health clinics for poor kids, Social Security, and other WWJD government programs designed to force Libertarian "Christians" to part with their money, LOL!), because this particular 'goat is taken, and has been for quite some time now :

Gen 3:12 "And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest [to be] with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."



Blogger Corrie said...


This is some stretch, isn't it? It seems all the problems boil down to feminists, egalitarians and working women?

I wonder why perverts, child molestors, control-freaks, power abusers and the like aren't ever the reason why some of this stuff goes on?

Oh, wait.....we are of our father Adam and Adam blamed his sin on a woman, too. :-)

Honestly, this is silly.

Because some women work there are homosexual promoting laws signed into the books?

Well, let us take a little trip back into history, shall we?

Do we not remember when it was en vogue to have a male lover and male lovers were touted as far superior to having a female lover? Do we remember where it was taught that females are a necessary evil for the procreation of the race but taking a male lover is highly preferable?

Where homosexual acts were part of the social structure, the bath houses and worship? Where these acts took place right out in the open for all to see?

How about the rulers throughout history who had male lovers and everyone knew about it?

Can we blame all those thousands of years of homosexuality and the acceptance of such practices on the feminists, too?

I am not happy about the law, either, but playing this ridiculous game isn't going to do us any good. It only makes us look stupid.

9:48 PM  
Blogger Corrie said...


I am not an egalitarian but the following quote for that article is really not even accurate in depicting the truth. I haven't met an egalitarian yet who believes that all people must be exactly the same and possess the same attributes. Do they even understand the argument? It seems, from comments like these, that they really don't understand it. It is like they are arguing with someone other than the egalitarians. Maybe there are some people who think everyone should be exactly the same but I have never read anything remotely like that.

"Christopher Alexion, commenting on the same story, said,

There is one and only one way, then, in which any two people can really be “equal” in the fullest sense: they must be identical in all of their attributes. This means, of course, that equality of all men – the egalitarian ideal – can only be achieved if all men are precisely uniform, precisely identical with respect to all of their attributes. The egalitarian world would necessarily be a world of horror fiction – a world of faceless and identical creatures, devoid of all individuality, variety, or special creativity."

While I probably agree with many things Carmon espouses, I really think blaming the feminists for homosexual perversion to be going in the wrong direction.

Why can't we blame the homosexuals?

10:13 PM  
Blogger CJ said...

Because despite all their faults, they are still MEN? LOL... sorry, I couldn't help it...

10:15 PM  
Blogger CJ said...

You know, (and this is not going to be very well written, since I'm overdue for bed) there's another consideration hidden in all this...
Sodom and Gomorrah were patriarchal, so much so that when the town leaders dememded that Lot bring out his guests that they might "know" them, Lot did not hesitate to offer them his daughters instead, demonstrating that his daughters were his property, to do with as he wished. So here we have the very town that gave Sodomy its name, and it was PATRIARCHAL!

Another point of interest-- scholars say that the type of homosexual act intended by the leaders of Sodom had as its purpose the domination and humiliation of Lot's visitors. It wasn't just about sex: by sodomizing them, the town fathers wished to demonstrate their powetr and establish the dominion of their town and their people over that of the strangers and their people.
The homosexual act as an act of dominance is displayed by alpha males in many animal species, most especially among primates.
No wonder homosexuality is considered an abomination instead of just a mundane, ordinary sin: given the Fall-induced tendency of men to want to dominate one another, if homosexuality were not seen as an especially shameful sin, men would be doing all sorts of awful things to one another just trying to establish their pecking order.

10:45 PM  
Blogger Corrie said...

That was a good observation about Sodom. How could we forget about an openly homosexual society, where gangs of men- from old age down to middle school boys- went roving about the countryside have openly homosexual sex. And, it was a patriarchal society to boot.

What do you think would happen today in our land if the same thing happened that happened to Lot?

What if a gang of homosexuals or men who have homosexual sex once in a while went to a man's home and demanded that he throw out his visitors so they can gang rape them?

Is our land as band as it was in the day of Lot? I think not.

First, our laws do not tolerate such abuse. Those men would have been hunted down and prosecuted.

Second, what do you think would have happened to Lot and his girls when the police found out that Lot offered to throw out his virgin daughters so that the gang can rape them instead? Our society wouldn't tolerate such a father. I am sorry but that is some sick stuff. The gang is bad enough but I have even more trouble with Lot's offer and his apparent attitude toward his own flesh and blood.

So, we have a patriarchal society with rampant homosexuality and fathers and husbands (don't forget the story in Judges where the same exact thing happened but the wife was offered as a sex toy instead of the daughters) who have little to no regard for the purity and lives of women. They seem to put a high price on a man's life but they seem to exhibit little regard for a woman's life.

Can't we use the same logic that all these people do when they blame feminists for the homosexual agenda?

Don't we have more direct corrolation between patriarchal societies and perversion and disregard for the life, safety, welfare and dignity of women than we do with the corrolation between working women and this new law?

I really would like to know how these same people excuse away these two stories in scripture and say that patriarchal societies cure all that ails us.

It would seem that homosexuality was much more out in the open and in our faces in the days where patriarchy was the rule, wouldn't it?

1:01 AM  
Blogger CJ said...

"How could we forget about an openly homosexual society, where gangs of men- from old age down to middle school boys- went roving about the countryside have openly homosexual sex?"

Well, I'm not so sure about the roving gangs of homosexuals. Remember, these were pagans who didn't know that homosexuality was a sin -- and probably, most of the men in Sodom were normal males who preferred women, but engaged in homosexual acts for other reasons. Scholars think that what was actually going on was that homosexuality and heterosexuality were both viewed as OK in Sodom, and that most people were heterosexual, but that the sex act was being used by (more or less) straight men as a means of dominating other men. In other words, sex had been totally divorced from its natural function of perpetuating life. It had been divorced from its function as an expression of love between a man and his wife, and it had even been divorced from its wrongful use as a mere source of pleasure, and was instead being used as a weapon to dominate and humiliate other people, and other males at that. The men of Sodom had gone as far as they they could go in perverting the sexual act from its natural use.

THIS is what the people who seek acceptance of homosexuality in society do not understand. If homosexuality ever gains acceptance to the point where homoerotic acts are viewed as a normal behaviour that even straight people may participate in once in a while, the barn door will be opened and the horse long gone, and men will be once again begin to use their sexuality as a WMD, as a means of exercising dominion over men and women alike.

1:34 PM  

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